Is There Something Wrong with Mormons?

When I left the LDS church, a friend of mine, a Ph.D. in mathematics, said to me, “That’s good. I always thought you were too smart to hang out with that crowd.” I thought at the time (and still do) that his statement was rather unfair and ignorant. I realized that he was going mostly by his interaction with a rather uber-Mormon guy we both worked with. This guy was the stereotypical Mormon depicted by Hollywood: naive, sweet-natured, and altruistic (and these are not all bad things). But my friend had the impression that we Mormons lacked critical thinking skills, that somehow the church had drummed out of us the ability to look introspectively at our own beliefs.

A year or so later, two coworkers and my boss at another company were stunned to find out I was a former Mormon. “Cult,” was all one of them said. Later on a trip with my boss, I found her approach to Mormonism interesting. She had, she said, a very good friend who is a Mormon, and she had attended various church functions with that friend. She generally had a good impression of Mormons and their “family values,” but she surprised me when she said, “Still, something just seems off about them. I can’t really explain it, but you never feel like you’re getting the real person when you talk to them.” She also said that she couldn’t quite square the white bread image with the “bizarre” (her word) temple rituals and “holy underwear” (again, her words).

Admittedly, these are just my own anecdotal experiences, but they don’t seem far off from the broader society’s impressions of Mormons and Mormonism. A Pew Forum survey last December showed that the church has made some progress in being accepted and even admired by others. 53% of Americans had a favorable opinion of Mormons, against 27% who had a negative opinion. 52% believed that Mormons are Christian, and when asked for a one-word impression of Mormonism, 74% said “family” or “family values” (though, technicall, that’s two words).

But there are still some significant problems. On the one-word impression question, “polygamy” or “bigamy” was most common (75%), third was “cult” (57%), and fourth was “different.” If I were to venture a guess, my former boss’s impressions would match most people’s assessment of Mormons: good, kind, devout people, but maybe a bit off.

I’m not going to argue about whether these impressions are correct (and please don’t think I believe Mormons are “a bit off”), but I will say that these impressions I’ve heard (and from more than just these two examples) conflict with what I was taught all my life in the LDS church. People are watching you, I was told. They look up to your for your standards, and when you don’t live up to your standards, they notice, and they judge the church by that.

Imagine my shock in finding out that people aren’t really watching Mormons. Most people don’t care one way or the other if you are living up to the church’s standards; they understand what the church’s standards are, but they also recognize that people are human. Take, for example, the easily recognizable missionary uniform: white shirt, dark suit, conservative tie. Most of us believed that this dress code made our missionaries stand out and made them look like good examples (hence, the idea that bishopric members and other leaders should wear white shirts and should be clean-shaven). Many non-Mormons have told me that the missionary uniform is “creepy” and “cult-like,” which again was quite a shock.

I don’t know what the church will do in the future to improve their image; they have hired one of New York’s best PR firms, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with. But it’s going to be hard to overcome the stereotypes.

32 Responses to “Is There Something Wrong with Mormons?”

  1. Michael Bailey Says:

    Quick question of clarification. On the one-word question, did they have a list of words or something? Because clearly 75+74+57 is more than 100%.

  2. Michael Bailey Says:

    Actually, now that I think about it, could you just give a link to the Pew study? I would love to read it.

  3. runtu Says:

    http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=267

  4. Brad Says:

    Runtu,

    Just a couple comments. I know that many Christians might feel that some people can’t be too “smart” to be in the Mormon church, b/c of the feeling that you almost have to check logic at the door to be a Mormon, b/c of the way the belief system is structured. I also know they get that impression b/c of the numerous instances of circular logic and logical inconsistencies that arise out of Mormonism. That’s a valid point, I believe.

    I ask though, b/c of something you said a while ago on a different post you made on your blog. You stated something to the effect that at some point, the light bulb just came on in your head, and you essentially realized that it wasn’t true, and that it didn’t make sense, and therefore you quit it.

    I guess what I’m driving at, is that some people view it that way, b/c of the very facts surrounding what drove you to make that statement. Those who aren’t involved in it can see where the logical circulars and inconsistencies are (b/c they’re not that hard to see), but those who are in it (despite how “intelligent” they may be), just can’t seem to see them, until (or if) the lightbulb in their head goes off, at which point many wonder how they ever could have believed it in the first place.

    Just giving some insight as to why some people might respond that way.

  5. Chris Bigelow Says:

    As a practicing Mormon, I agree that Mormons are generally a bit off socially and culturally. They are excessively concerned about appearances, decorum, conformity, etc. They are obsessed with what others think of them, both inside and outside of the church. I generally like other Mormons one on one, but get three or more together and they start getting weird.

    If I didn’t believe in Mormon theology and doctrine, there’s no way I would ever stay involved. I personally rather dislike Mormon culture and society, and I hope we eventually mature and learn how to be ourselves.

  6. nearlynormalized Says:

    Wrong? Cult yes, religion no. Inbred, decietful, overpowering, them against me, hoard the food and pass the ammunition. My experience with the 10% Mormons (moronic biker)

  7. seasofsilver Says:

    While I appreciate your wish for better PR, I also believe this is a lost cause. We can all only be the best example we can be.

    I had some very creepy experiences with the Mormons in Arlington Va (just outside of DC) the details of which are not important and will most likely make you angry, however it was enough to put me off for life.

    They were attempting to “recruit” me and didn’t take kindly to my firm “NO”.

    Look within – check out the other religions out there and find something better for your life.

  8. zackc Says:

    Too true. A bit off, secretive, clannish. That’s how I’d describe mormons.

    As to family values, that is soo vague and has been punted so many times by politicians and religious leaders that I don’t think it has any meaning. Does it mean love? Big families? Treating people well within family? It’s so vague it means nothing to me, and geting a clear definition is probably impossible as everyone has unique definitions.

    Although I do resent that apparently religion=family values, something people seem to [erroneously] believe.

  9. mormonsoprano Says:

    Runtu, I agree that mormons and mormon culture appear very different. The word most often used inside the church is “peculiar” – and it is something that we as a group embrace because there is a scriptural reference which states we should be a “peculiar people” (meaning set apart from worldly things). Being a strong followers of Christ, keeping high standards, reading scripture, praying and following specific strict religious practices does set a group apart as being very different in today’s world.

    Practicing Latter-day Saints do not conform to society ‘norms’, nor try to be ‘politically correct’, nor try to keep up with very whim of change and fashion and popular belief of the moment. Traditionally, those who do try that road lose their way and lose their faith. Still, your points are well taken that we should strive to be better understood by our neighbors and friends. Although it is important for members to be honest about their shortcomings, and loving and open to others who are different, doesn’t that apply to anyone? It is natural for people everywhere of any belief system or non-belief system to feel most comfortable around others who are most like themselves. That is human nature.

    What is interesting is that you state members are NOT being watched – and yet, ironically your post contradicts that very thing. You are one who is watching. By writing this very post you show that you personally watch the church and your mormon friends and cannot leave it alone or behind. Once one comes in contact with Mormonism, it makes a lasting impression. This is a post with a respectful tone, so it appears that you personally still hold admiration for your roots and your Mormon friends, despite your personal frustrations with various cultural or doctrinal points. Ask yourself then, why did you feel the need to write this post? So, I have to gently disagree with you. Mormons are definitely always being watched – we see this very pointedly when we make mistakes and then are so quickly and vociferously attacked and criticized. The media always makes a point of emphasizing that a crime was committed by a Mormon – when no other criminal’s religion is ever mentioned. Why? Because people know our standards, and they hold us to it. Eagerly waiting to see us fall short.

    In the end, I think that it comes down to each individual of any faith learning to be accepting of others differences. We don’t have to agree, but we do have a responsibility to be respectful, and kind. Mormons just want to be accepted and respected for who they are just like anyone else. What’s wrong with white shirts and ties? What’s wrong with Saris and Burkas? It is a tolerance issue. There is much to learn from each other. I am truly grateful that I have many non-LDS friends and many LDS friends. It gives me the chance to see different perspectives. I have found though, that all of us have the same core fears and hopes. We all worry about our children, the environment, the state of the nation. We cry and suffer, we laugh and cheer. We have loved ones who are struggling with addictions and physical ailments. We experience blessings and miracles. We experience crushing hardships. We have financial problems, and marriage struggles. In short, we are human beings living in an imperfect environment, sharing the same planet and doing the best that we can. We all want to be understood, and appreciated for who we are. These are core human issues that we can and should connect with. It is sad to me that anyone out there would not see a Mormon as a human being. As a whole, we are human beings who do great good for the world. We are good citizens and good neighbors, and hard workers, and raising children to do the same. We are also human beings who as individuals make mistakes, are misunderstood, seem weird or become irritating. Big deal. So does anyone. That’s life. Our challenge and our joy as human beings is to reach out and befriend people who are different than ourselves. To learn to be tolerant and forgiving. We can each choose to serve and get involved in our communities, keep blogs, etc. Purpose? Hopefully, to add some positive to the world. Life is short. There is already too much of hate and anger and intolerance on this earth. Thank heaven for any human being who tries to bring peace into the world. Mormons are trying.

  10. sleepyfrog76 Says:

    I also have to take issue with your statement that Mormons aren’t being watched. I’ve moved around a LOT in my life and have met a large variety of people in a large variety of circumstances. Every single time I become friends with someone and they discover that I am LDS, they then procede to tell me about some other Mormon they know that smoked or drank at some party, that had premarital sex and got pregnant, that cheated on a test in high school… you get the idea. If Mormons aren’t being watched, then why does “everyone” know about all the things some Mormons are doing that go against LDS teachings and standards? Other religions teach chastity and honesty and morality… yet you never hear, “Oh, you’re a Baptist? I knew this Baptist kid once who slept around. What do you think about that?”

    I think that for the most part, no, people don’t care all that much. But they sure see, to like to make a point to me, a devout Mormon, that not everyone is perfect. Like I don’t know that. Thankfully all my mistakes weren’t as obvious as some other peoples, although I’m sure somewhere there are my old friends from high school or college saying, “I knew this Mormon once who…”

  11. codysecond Says:

    Just saw this blog… quick thought:

    How comfortable would you be with a religion that didn’t allow African-Americans into the church until the 70’s, and taught they were cursed by God?

    Christians view Mormonism as a cult because they do not teach the same doctrine as traditional Christian theology: Jesus is part of the Trinitarian God. Joseph Smith even asserted himself in the final judgement of men… which is totally off from Christian theology- thus Mormons are not Christian.

    Just two quick notes!

  12. tonyyork Says:

    I am trying to picture the disciples, along with Christ, putting on their Sunday best to go traveling city-to-city to bear witness to the truth. My guess is that there wasn’t a uniform that the followers had to put on to ’stand out’ from the rest of society. The fishermen in the group probably still looked like fishermen. Jesus was probably easily recognized as being a Nazarite by actually dressing like the culture He was in. I mention this only because any religion can become a list of “this is what we should do to make sure we are peculiar”. Unfortunately, that peculiarity is not a godly practice…its a human practice. The very fact that the church is thinking on hiring a PR team is a statement that could speak volumes.

    I have met several Mormons, and in general, I think they are fine people. I don’t understand how they can read the bible and then justify the “pearl of great price” especially in light of how it came to be. Or how the temple ceremonies resembled the masonic ceremonies that the founder had been involved with.

    I am sure that people would look at my faith in the same light. It takes a lot of introspection to understand what you believe and, more importantly, why you believe it. I would like to know the statistics of the number of people of any religion than can actually articulate WHY they believe something to be true.

    Not sure that I am adding anything of worth to this post… just my usual mental regurgitation.

  13. runtu Says:

    sleepyfrog76: In 40 years of activity in the LDS church in three different states, I’ve never once had anyone say, “I knew a Mormon once who …” Maybe we live in alternative universes.

    mormonsoprano: Why did I write this post? Since Mormonism is part of my everyday life, I write about it. It doesn’t mean I’m fixated or “can’t leave it alone.” Sheesh.

  14. sideon Says:

    Congrats – front and center on the WP main page.

    Exceptional, Runtu, and the writing, too.

  15. notprocrastinating Says:

    you know whats weird…i was also brought up a mormon. it was fine but people always respond with something like “oh i’m so sorry, you’re a recovering mormon” and so on anyway you wrote that you were “taught all my life in the LDS church. People are watching you, I was told. They look up to your for your standards, and when you don’t live up to your standards, they notice, and they judge the church by that” so was i…but since i was from a family of “jack-mormons” i always took some pride in it. “remember who you are and what you stand for” was a family motto. i always thought a concern with what others thought of your family via each and every member was just the way it is…is this really not the case with other religions?

  16. runtu Says:

    Yeah, there’s a really odd obsession with appearances in Mormonism that I haven’t seen in other religions. I have never heard anyone of any other faith say that they were taught people were watching them. But we were.

  17. nearlynormalized Says:

    How about getting lost in rural Utah–think you are out of place? Yes!!! Does the vacant, blue eyed crew let you know you are in the wrong place? Yes. This happend on a highway that had a billboard “this is the country of plural marriages”, should have gotten the clue when I stopped in the local owned restuarant. My question, “why have a public restuarant right off the highway and gas station and still try to scare off people? I know it is the “them against us attitude.”

  18. andrealudwig Says:

    Interesting observations, all around. Currently I am going back and forth with two Mormons on my site about whether or not Mormonism is a false religion {okay, a cult}. I didn’t expect to have this type of ministry, but I really am blessed to be able to share God’s truths with them and show them where Mormonism strays from the truth of the Bible. You can join in the conversation or just read it at http://www.phenomenaltruths.wordpress.com.

  19. andrealudwig Says:

    P.S. Some of the Mormons I have known were not strange at all, just misled. I think sometimes they just don’t take the time to thoroughly investigate whether their beliefs are true or not. Two Mormon women I have met are incredibly beautiful and down-to-earth, totally lovely. And my husband was a Mormon, although not for long. He is not strange in the least! =)

  20. runtu Says:

    I wonder how someone determines whether one set of beliefs is true and another isn’t. How do you know your beliefs are true and Mormons’ are not?

  21. Digital Dame Says:

    @sleepyfrog:

    I can tell you about this Baptist I knew if you really want to know… (and no I’m not Mormon. Never was, never will be). I think people immediately bring up Mormons that they have seen act in ways their church would not approve because they do make such a public show of being so “above it all”.

  22. andrealudwig Says:

    Runtu, excellent question. How do we know if our beliefs are true or if someone else’s are? Who are we to judge?

    This question, and a longing to know God, led me to investigate all religions to see which was correct. I started by reading the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. Of course I didn’t understand any of it, since I did not have the Holy Spirit living inside of me at that time to enable me to comprehend it. But I went to a church where the pastor told us the gospel, got saved, and the rest is history! You can read about it on my page entitled, “How I Became a Christian,” on my blog.

    Keep asking excellent questions. Don’t stop until you get the answers. =)

    Just a little preview: All false religions are designed by demons to mislead as many people as possible. Every religion contains some truth, maybe a lot of truth, but then slips in several lies, which people tend to fall for because the lies somehow build up their egos or help them forget about the fact that they are sinners in need of a Savior.

  23. SillyNut Says:

    Whoa.

  24. runtu Says:

    Andrea, I’m sorry, but you don’t seem to have anything firmer to stand on than Mormons do. They say they have the Holy Spirit, and so do you.

  25. K*tty Says:

    Just to add credence to Mormon feelings of living their lives being watched, is this verse from a popular Primary song: ~The friends that live in my neighborhood, will judge the gospel bad or good, by how I work and how I play and not just on the Sabbath day.~ That is pretty heavy stuff for a child, don’t you think?

  26. andrealudwig Says:

    Runtu,

    Your comment reminded me of a little song: “The B-I-B-L-E; Yes, that’s the book for me. I stand alone on the Word of God; the B-I-B-L-E.” =)
    The Bible is what I stand on, while Mormonism not only distorts it but also adds false teaching to it.

    The Holy Spirit is important as well. He guarantees my salvation and gives me discernment to be able to tell right from wrong, and truth from error. He also guides me as to what to say, and reminds me of everything Jesus said.

    Some Mormons may have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but then they would leave Mormonism because they would be able to discern truth from error.

  27. sideon Says:

    Yes, there is something wrong with Mormons.

    Case in point: Christopher Bigelow.

    I can honestly say that I hate his fucking guts.

    Even Jesus would smack him upside the head.

  28. al thomas Says:

    Yes, we are a peculiar people. I joined the LDS church over 50 years ago and it has been a wonderful journey. I do not smoke, drink alcohol or take drugs.I do not take the Lord’s name in vain. I try to love my neighbor and live the Golden Rule. We believe in and worship Jesus Christ in every Sacrament meting. My life has been blessed spiritually, educationally, and financially. I was raised by a single mom in a west coast city and The Church saved my life. It is difficult to be a Mormon and a lot is expected of each of us. without a spiritual experience from the Holy Ghost I can see why people leave. The callings I have had have contributed greatly to all of the success I have had in my life.
    We are demonized because we don’t accept the trinity. I would challenge you to carefully read the 17th chapter of John and then see if you still believe in The Trinity.

  29. runtu Says:

    Al,

    I’m glad you find peace and contentment within Mormonism. If it works for you, go for it. I would again caution you not to assume that those of us who have left haven’t had “a spiritual experience” from the Holy Ghost. I’ve had many such experiences. And I left. Go figure, huh? Anyway, I hope you don’t feel like I have demonized you or your religion. And as far as the Trinity, I’m not particularly interested in that little debate.

  30. Reaper Says:

    I confess I always watch for Mormons, I see that drone uniform of the recruiter and I cross the road to avoid any unpleasantness.

  31. Shelly Says:

    I have lot’s of friends that are mormons. I love them very much. I love them enough to tell them the truth! They are in a cult, a very deceptive cult that says I look good, i act good and i pretend that everything is ok! We will never be gods of our own planet someday as the mormons teach, isn’t that what Satan promised Eve from the beginning unfortunately she bought into as well She disobeyed the true and living God, the ONLY GOD there will ever be. I’m sorry to say if Mormons don’t repent and turn from their false doctrine accept the Lord as their saviour they will go to hell. It’s black and white and not gray. :-)

  32. whatever Says:

    FAKE! That’s the perfect word to describe the mormons I know.
    I know Sarah Palin isn’t mormon, but her fakeness reminds me of mormons.
    They try to appear happy, shiny and perfect to other people. It’s becomes rather obvious as you’re trying to hold a real conversation with them. Even with my Mormon family there is absolutely no substance to conversations I hold with them. How’s the weather, blah blah blah, I want to puke.
    My wife who’s catholic and didn’t have much exposure to mormons before pointed this out to me after we had gone to visit them, and I completely agreed with her. They truly live in their own little bubble.

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